These are your classic Doccers work shoes, look great. Also they have your classic hard leather uppers, that cut my heal open and put me in hospital with cellulitus in my ankle (advise not to Wikipedia it). Anyway, they are hiding under my desk right now, until I pluck up the courage to try them again. They will probably out last me, if only by killing me with an infection. But don't let that put you off, they are a great pair of shoes.