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The Emperor's New Mind [ペーパーバック]

Roger Penrose
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In this absorbing and frequently contentious book, eminent physicist Roger Penrose puts forward his view that there are some facets of human thinking that can never be emulated by a machine. He takes the reader on a dazzling tour of the physics of consciousness as he examines what physics and mathematics can tell us about how the mind works, what they can't, and what we need to know to understand the physical processes of consciousness.

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perhaps the most engaging and creative tour of modern physics that has ever been written (Sunday Times) --このテキストは、 ペーパーバック 版に関連付けられています。

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  • ペーパーバック: 480ページ
  • 出版社: Penguin Books; Reprint版 (1991/1/1)
  • 言語: 英語, 英語, 英語
  • ISBN-10: 0140145346
  • ISBN-13: 978-0140145342
  • 発売日: 1991/1/1
  • 商品パッケージの寸法: 23.1 x 15.5 x 3.3 cm
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By FANTASMA UCCIDENDO MECCANISMO (YO SOY AQUEL) トップ500レビュアー
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この著書の主張は二つであるが、論理的に別のものです。第1の主張はゲーデルの不完全性定理によって脳はコンピューターではありえないことが証明できること。第2の主張は量子力学と統一場理論による新しい科学に脳を理解する鍵があるということ。第1の主張に関して言えば、脳がコンピューターと根本的に違う根拠は数学基礎論にあるというのである。ゲーデルの定理は、無限概念を含む数学ではすべて「無矛盾であり、かつそれ自身の無矛盾性を定理として導けるような公理系を作ることは不可能」というものです。さて、1の議論の前提は、たとえある命題が証明不可能である事をゲーデルの定理が示していても、人間にはその命題が真であるとわかることがありうる、という事実です。コンピューターにとってある命題を証明あるいは反証する唯一の方法は、いくつかの基本公理から論理ステップに従って、アルゴリズムのステップを実行することしかできないということです。これはチュリング・マシンの宿命として、コンピューターには決定できないが、人間の脳には決定できる命題があることを示している。ペンローズの議論は人間の知能、意識というものは一種のコンピューターのアルゴリズムだとする機械論的な考えの核心に痛烈な打撃を与えました。それに対する多くの反論に対し苛酷な反論をしている。詳細は省きますが、現在のコンピューターの進化形としてのコンピューターは人間のようには意識... 続きを読む ›
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5つ星のうち 4.0 Highly Recommended 2002/8/27
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As opposed to what the title suggests, the bulk of this book is devoted to describing the foundations of the modern physics and computing. I was immensely fascinated by the accounts on the important subjects like classical mechanics, special relativity, general relativity, Turing machines, introductory quantum mechanics, artificial intelligence, etc. A fundamental difference between ‘A brief History of Time’ (Hawkins) and this book is that while the former skims over the theories needed to build the case of the book, this does a very thorough job of describing them. Of course this approach has... 続きを読む ›
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5つ星のうち 5.0 The Emperor's New Mind. 2003/12/19
By Wesley L. Janssen - (Amazon.com)
形式:ハードカバー
Roger Penrose, "one of the world's most knowledgeable and creative mathematical physicists," presents in his 1989 Emperor's New Mind one of the most intriguing and substantive popularizations of mathematical logic and physical theory that has ever been published. As a reader of many books written by scientists, I will say that few compare with this one. Penrose wrestles with what he sees as some of science's most inadequate or poorly developed (although popularly accepted) ideas. As certain physical theories are found wanting, his grapplings extend to some of the deepest questions of metaphysics. Of the deepest questions, Penrose says, "To ask for definitive answers to such grandiose questions would, of course, be a tall order. Such answers I cannot provide; nor can anyone else, though some may try to impress us with their guesses." While he speaks respectfully of individuals with whom he has certain differences of opinion, the "some" in that statement might be taken to be Hawking, Dawkins, Dennett, to suggest a few. The author here tends toward a more humble and questioning approach. Penrose's puzzlings are complex, creative, and speculative, and even his admirers might easily misrepresent certain of his opinions and conjectures. A case in point may be the fact that he finds cosmic inflation theories to have less explanatory power than others claim for them -- this doesn't mean he necessarily rejects inflation, rather he doubts claims that inflation significantly helps explain the specialness of the early universe. Positivists may be disposed to discount the problem but there appears to be good reason for Penrose's skepticism. However this is not treated in this volume.

Rigorously building a case against the fundamental arguments for strong AI, Penrose begins with what for him is to ultimately be 'le coup de grce', considerations and arguments from mathematical logic. If the human mind works non-algorithmically, then we know of no way to digitize/program its processes. The mind does in fact function non-algorithmically, a fact demonstrated without much difficulty. It learns in intuitive, non-linear, and mysteriously creative ways. The idea that some non-algorithmic approach might achieve a program equivalent to the human mind is not supported by any "useful" (or better, see below) physical theory and is not mathematically tenable. Strong AI is thus relegated to a mere ideological preference (and obviously to sci-fi). In his mathematical considerations, Penrose is most interested in the work of Turing and Gödel and in the Platonic essence of mathematics itself. Concluding that the human mind cannot be reduced to an algorithm (or any set of algorithms), Penrose next questions whether the mind might be reducible physically. Here he finds the questions and answers less well defined than he has in mathematics. His tour of classical and quantum physics features interpretations and ideas that many readers may have not encountered (which makes the text fun). The problem of "correct quantum gravity" (that is, the incompleteness [or incorrectness?] of relativity and quantum theories) is one that Penrose and other theoreticians have struggled with for decades. Penrose wonders if this mysterious and conspicuously missing physical theory might be related to the also conspicuously missing science of mind. This speculation on his part is the theme also of his more recent books. As Erwin Schrödinger (like Einstein and Gödel, Platonists all) seems to be one whose ideas are of particular interest to Penrose, I will cite Schrödinger's view: "Consciousness cannot be accounted for in physical terms. For consciousness is absolutely fundamental. It cannot be accounted for in terms of anything else." But Penrose doesn't quite argue this view, although it would seem an obvious conclusion from his best arguments. Here is a classic example of how we may know 'something' without knowing everything: we can know that the human mind cannot be reduced to an algorithm -- or algorithm of algorithms -- and yet it is not known whether we can even know precisely what mind is. Particularly so if, as Schrödinger says, mind is irreducible.

The chapter on cosmology is excellent, as one might expect of a Roger Penrose. The consideration of the "specialness" of the initial [cosmological] conditions and of the relationship of this specialness to the second law of thermodynamics is also fascinating as it is precisely the second law that lends the "arrow of time" its apparent non-symmetrical aspect -- in other words, defines physical reality as we experience it. In this sense, the second law connects the human mind to the cosmos (which is interesting but does nothing to help us "reduce" mind).

Penrose suggests, and I cannot find any reason to disagree, that all scientific theories can be assigned to one of three broad categories, which he calls: (1.) SUPERB, (2.) USEFUL, (3.) TENTATIVE. All SUPERB theories (there are roughly a dozen) stand within the purvey of physics, and: "It is remarkable that all the SUPERB theories of Nature have proved to be extraordinarily fertile as sources of mathematical ideas. There is a deep and beautiful mystery in this fact: that these superbly accurate theories are also extraordinarily fruitful simply as mathematics. No doubt this is telling us something profound about the connections between the real world of our physical experiences and the Platonic world of mathematics." Over time, theories (particularly those that do not feature such mathematical beauty or fertility) may tend to move between the categories. Theories held to be SUPERB for centuries have dropped completely from the current categories; theories have faded and re-emerged. . . "we should not be too complacent that the pictures that we have formed at any one time are not to be overturned by some later and deeper view."

Some readers will not like the fact that, after extensive rumination on very difficult and deep questions (like "what is mind?"), the author doesn't conclude with a pretense that he, or anyone else, has definitive answers. This reader appreciated the integrity of Penrose's questionings and of his conclusions (or lack of conclusions). I will misappropriate one of Penrose's terms -- as a text examining mathematics, physics, and the human mind, this volume is SUPERB.
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5つ星のうち 3.0 Exhausting 2011/5/11
By limelight - (Amazon.com)
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If you could only use one word to describe this book, "Exhausting" would certainly be it. While the basic premise is that consciousness cannot be the product of complex algorithms, Penrose spends the vast majority of the text thoroughly exploring every irrelevant aspect of physics and every nuanced, extraneous detail of our current understanding of the nature of the universe, while attempting to accomplish the task of presenting the material in a way that the average Joe can understand (Hint: if your text contains the phrase, "Here, theta is the angle which the pair of points z and w subtend at the origin in the Argand plane" then you have failed).

After extensively winding his way through everything from Turing machines, the big bang, general relativity, special relativity, complex numbers, natural numbers, irrational numbers, Fractals and the Mandelbrot set, Euclidean geometry, Fermat's last theorem, Gödel's theorem, recursively enumerable sets, non-recursive mathematics, Hamiltonian space, periodic tiling, quantum mechanics, P and NP completeness, the two-slit experiment, quantum spin, Riemann spheres, Lobachevskian space, the EPR paradox, Newton's laws of motion, Schrodinger's equations, quantum field theory, Galilean space-time, entropy, black holes, vector mathematics and vector fields, cosmology, time symmetry/asymmetry, Maxwell's electromagnetic theory, quantum gravity, Lorentz equations of motion, Minkowskian space time, Poincare motion, the tidal effect and many, many, many other subjects, the author finally spends a mere two chapters on the main topic.

When Penrose does get back to discussing consciousness, most of his arguments are philosophical and many of his conclusions are drawn from observations of his own perception, which is then used to reason out larger principles. Penrose attempts to apply the same methodology to his inquiries regarding psychology and consciousness that he is used to from his more usual areas of work, such as mathematics and theoretical physics, areas where progress is made by simply thinking about problems and conjuring solutions in your head. Even when he does make an appeal to actual experiment, he often comes to bizarre conclusions. For example, an experiment wherein an electrode is placed into a person's brain which causes them to not be aware that their skin was touched when the electrode is activated within a quarter of a second after someone touched them leads Penrose to conclude that the effect of the electrode is traveling backwards in time.

If you have a lot of time on your hands and you would like a thorough survey of the state of physics as it stood in the late-80s then this book is for you. If you are looking for a decent discussion of consciousness, the relevant contents of this book could be easily condensed to a rather uninteresting pamphlet.
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5つ星のうち 5.0 A great, great book. 2007/9/12
By Pinner Blinn - (Amazon.com)
形式:ペーパーバック
I was compelled to write as I came by on the way to buying Dr. Penrose's more recent book ("Road to Reality") and was appalled that Amazon features 2 out of 3 negative views on the first page, including one which dismisses the "Emperor's new mind" as "rubbish". Surely the book is controversial in certain quarters, but the vehemence of much of the criticism can only make me wonder why some people are so defensive about it.

I have to admit I have not reread this book since my original reading around 1990, so take my remarks at some discount on that basis. But I will tell you that this book remains influential in my choice of what I read and how I evaluate things even to this day. It has indeed changed my life.

Dr. Penrose's premise is that a computer simulation of a brain will not achieve the equivalent of human consciousness. I don't wish to enter the fray of arguing points. Dr. Penrose is a mathematical and scientific genius, a deep thinker on the nature of reality, and he can do his own counterpoint. Read this book with an open mind, and even if you disagree with some of his arguments, you will take much away with you.

Here's my take. "Consciousness" is pretty central to the whole enterprise of scientific endeavor, as well as how each of us understands our place in the world. Consciousness, as modeled by psychological and AI researchers, has a lot to say about the biological/physical systems that underpin what is happening in our heads, but one has to wonder about claims that consciousness is now completely understood. To this end, Dr. Penrose takes us on a fascinating journey to the frontiers of scientific knowledge, at scales both large and small. This is entirely relevant to the central theme. Science can only talk about what we can measure, and there are limits to what we can now measure. Our current picture of reality is not as complete as some people would have us believe.

So read Penrose. Read Stephen Jay Gould. Read Raymond Smullyan. Read about the Banach-Tarski theorem. Read about Fermat's last theorem. Read great literature. Keep an open mind. Peace!
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5つ星のうち 5.0 Don't be fooled by kitsch materialists 2000/3/24
By カスタマー - (Amazon.com)
形式:ペーパーバック
First, what this book is not: It is not "creation science"...it doesn't address evolution...or the existence of God...or existence of the human soul. In other words, it is NOT special pleading against modern science by someone with a religious agenda. What it IS rather, is a solid study of cognition, theories of artificial intelligence, and the enduring problem of the nature of human consciousness by one of the world's top physicists (a professed materialist by the way, not a religious believer), who together with Stephen Hawking developed the astrophysics of "black holes" in the '60's. What Penrose suggests here (a theory he expands on in his subsequent "Shadows of the Mind"), is that science, and specifically physics, is inadequate now, and more importantly will always be inadequate, to describe the nature of human intelligence, cognition, and consciousness--a thesis similar to the showing of Godel's 1931 Theorem that certain fundamental axioms of mathematics were incapable of proof within any mathematical system. In other words, Penrose suggests that there are elemental restrictions within science itself limiting our understanding of our own mental processes, which concomitantly limit the possibilities for development of artificial intelligence. And that obviously doesn't sit well with those for whom naturalistic science is itself a kind of "religion," as some of the dismissive reviews on this page show. My advice: just ignore them and read this book, and well as its successor, "Shadows of the Mind." It's a challenging read and not for intellectual lightweights, but it will richly reward those with the patience to make it through.
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5つ星のうち 4.0 Highly Recommended 2002/8/27
By Assela Pathirana - (Amazon.com)
形式:ハードカバー
As opposed to what the title suggests, the bulk of this book is devoted to describing the foundations of the modern physics and computing. I was immensely fascinated by the accounts on the important subjects like classical mechanics, special relativity, general relativity, Turing machines, introductory quantum mechanics, artificial intelligence, etc. A fundamental difference between 'A brief History of Time' (Hawkins) and this book is that while the former skims over the theories needed to build the case of the book, this does a very thorough job of describing them. Of course this approach has its price, namely the mathematical complexity. Even though the author suggests skipping the mathematics and reading on if the reader is unfamiliar with the subject, I feel such reading will hardly do the justice to this fine book.
The recommendation: If you know basic mathematics like interpreting a simple equation (involving exponents, logarithms, etc.), a bit of probability, etc. and the willingness to learn more, this is an excellent book for you. However, if you simply cannot withstand equations among text and are determined to avoid them at all costs, perhaps this is not the book for you.
The ultimate message of the book, namely the proposition that the process of human thinking is related to quantum mechanical effects of matter did not sound very convincing to me. Perhaps this is not an accident, for the author state facts in the parts dealing with various scientific principals and is speculating at the stage of this proposition. My advice: Don't worry about this part. If you understand and are convinced -- good! If not: Still you've got your money's and time's worth by understanding the basics of modern science, in a comprehensive manner.
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